[Z7 Beta] Line breaks in annotation

samvimes

Hi all,
while Z6 is quite good at handling line breaks in annotations, I've noticed that Z7 is noticeably worse at that (if you're already aware of the problem I apologize for the extra report).There are often case where it pulls together two individual words in a linebreak (but it does not happen always).188BET靠谱吗I've also noticed that there are cases in which it includes the hyphen in annotations where Zotero 6 accurately removed them.

Example: https://i.imgur.com/VDzOTTS.png188BET靠谱吗(red: highlighted in Zotero 6, yellow: highlighted in the Zotero 7 Beta)

Have a good week!

martynas_b

It should be fixed in the next update.Let us know, if not.

samvimes

Thank you, I will do so!

samvimes

In 7.0.0-beta.42+2db19ad4c the problem does not appear to be fully fixed.188BET靠谱吗While I've not noticed Zotero pulling together words, the beta is still not as good at removing hyphens as version 6 was.

In this screenshot ( https://i.imgur.com/bH8RI88.png), the yellow annotation was done in the most recent beta, the red annotation of the same text was created with Z6.PDF-Source: http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:0111-pedocs-205680

samvimes

188BET靠谱吗Just an update: On 7.0.0-beta.54+6b996d4f9 I still encounter the problem that Zotero's removal of hyphens is somewhat hit & miss and still performs noticeably worse than Z6.

samvimes

In 7.0.0-beta.77 the hyphen removal is still performing noticeably worse than in Z6 (sorry for still going on about this, but it's just such a useful feature when it works correctly).

martynas_b

@samvimesThanks for letting us know.Could you provide more examples where it doesn't work well?

samvimes

An example from the book I'm currently reading would be this annotation:

188BET靠谱吗https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u5025031/b96jas0hli5x6hsi2ve4.png

Extracted Text:

„Nach diesem Verständnis zielt Kritik nicht nur auf den Nachweis, sondern auch auf die Erzeugung »reflexiver Inakzeptabilität«, also darauf, im Selbstverständnis der Adressaten einen praktischen Widerspruch her(aus)zustellen, der einen Prozess der Selbstreflexion initi- iert, der wiederum die Voraussetzung für eine transformative Praxis ist."

I've not managed to discover a pattern for why it sometimes works (i.e.with „Inakzeptabilität") and sometimes doesn't (i.e.with "initi -iert").

samvimes

Here's another example from the book I'm currently reading.188BET靠谱吗I have to manually remove almost all hyphens - in some cases Zotero removes them automatically but I still haven't figured out why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

188BET靠谱吗https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u5025031/nb2511n8lrwvsvbl8ku5.png

Extracted text: In Lebensformen sedimentieren sich deshalb auch immer voran- gegangene Problemlösungsgeschichten, das heißt eine Abfolge von Problemen oder Krisen und deren (mehr oder weniger gelungene) Be- wältigung.

martynas_b

@samvimesPlease let us know if there are any improvements in the latest beta.

samvimes

I'm afraid I can't notice any - annotating the same text as in the screenshot leads to the exact same result.

martynas_b

188BET靠谱吗Please send the PDF file to support@zotero.org with a link to this thread.

samvimes

Just did so, thank you!

martynas_b

Thanks.It seems this is most likely to happen with OCRed PDF files.We'll do some changes in the next beta.

samvimes

Great, thank you!I'm looking forward to it.

mjthoraval

Here is an example with a recent open access paper:

188BET靠谱吗The blue highlight (top) is from Zotero 6 on Ubuntu 24.04 and the yellow (bottom) from Zotero 7.0.0-beta.82 on Windows 10:
188BET靠谱吗https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u265723/ysqei3g69n1xk9g56kbv.png
https://doi.org/10.1007/s00348-023-03759-9

The hyphen should be kept, but it is removed in both cases.

188BET靠谱吗Note that Zotero 7 now merges together the words from the end of the line and the next line.This seems to be the case for all the papers that I have tested.

188BET靠谱吗Zotero 7.0.0-beta.82+79fa160e4 (64-bit)

mjthoraval

Another example from the same paper:
188BET靠谱吗https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u265723/5qhtyidp83fmpxsjgutt.png

The hyphens even disappears from the search results.

martynas_b

@mjthoravalThe main issue should be fixed in the next update.

In future we'll also try to do a few tricks to improve the hyphenated words issue.

mjthoraval

Thank you.188BET靠谱吗I confirm that the missing space at line breaks is fixed in Zotero 7.0.0-beta.83.
The hyphens problem is less important, but that paper gives a good number of test cases, with hyphens that should be either kept or removed.

samvimes

The automatic removal of hyphens has really drastically improved, thank you!Of course I'm mostly working with German texts at the moment, where there aren't many "false positives".